My Response to User from Unsealed Prophecy

Well a user on the site Unsealed Prophecy does not like truth.  He wants to hide it at all costs.  He deleted my post in response to his so that others cannot see the truth.  So here I will post what he said, then my response.

Post by User:

Agie, please stop to use my site as a platform for your strange teachings. Tony, please be careful not to be burdened under an unnecessary yoke.

FOOD SACRIFICED TO IDOLS:
1 COR 8:1 Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that we all possess knowledge. Knowledge puffs up,(As Agie95 shows with Torah) but love builds up.
2 The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know.
3 But the man who loves God is known by God. 4 So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that an idol is nothing at all in the world and that there is no God but one.
5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”),
6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
7 But not everyone knows this. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat such food they think of it as having been sacrificed to an idol, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled.
8 But food does not bring us near to God; (See Agie95, eat what you want) we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.
9 Be careful, however, that the exercise of your freedom does not become a stumbling block to the weak. (Dont be weak Tony)
10 For if anyone with a weak conscience sees you who have this knowledge eating in an idol’s temple, won’t he be emboldened to eat what has been sacrificed to idols?
11 So this weak brother, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge.
12 When you sin against your brothers in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ.
13 Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause him to fall.

BURDENED BY THE LAW (TORAH)
Freedom in Christ
GALATIANS 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all.
3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law.
4 You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. (I will not take that chance Agie95. That is why I say NO to your Torah teachings)
5 But by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope.
6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.
7 You were running a good race. Who cut in on you and kept you from obeying the truth? (Agie95 maybe trying to put us under the Torah/law burden again)
8 That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you.
9 “A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough.”
10 I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view. The one who is throwing you into confusion will pay the penalty, whoever he may be. (That is a warning Agie95)
11 Brothers, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished.
12 As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!
13 You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love.
14 The entire law is summed up in a single command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” (Mmmm Agie95, the Torah is sumed up in one command? Why try to burden us then with more?)
15 If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.
Life by the Spirit
16 So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature.
17 For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want.
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law. (Again Agie95, we are NOT under the Torah. )
19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;
20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions
21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires.
25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit.
26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

This is the truth Agie95. This truth will let no babe in Christ stumble. This is the teachings of Paul and this is the stand of Unsealed Prophecy.

Subject closed.

My response which was deleted:

Strange teachings?  Following the same commandments our savior followed.  Following the same commandments Paul followed.  These are strange teachings?  Contextually, no one has shown what I have said Scripture says was wrong.  If there are holes, I would like to know.

I am glad you brought up the verses you did.  They are commonly taken out of context as well as many others.  

If in Revelation we are told two assemblies have food sacrificed to idols held against them yet Paul has a writing saying something different, then we have an issue.  Another place we are told to stay away from food sacrificed to idols is Acts 15:20-but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols.   Now we have two other places in Scripture to not eat things sacrificed/contaminated by idols.  Either we misunderstand the passages or John/Paul/Luke is a heretic.  I can say that b/c I hold the opinion that Scripture cannot and will not contradict Scripture.  I believe Revelation 2 is pretty clear those 2 assemblies have foods sacrificed to idols and a charge against them.  I also believe Acts 15 is pretty clear.  So maybe there is a misunderstanding of 1 Corinthians 8.  Let’s see.

First, throughout the New Testament, and especially in the book of Acts, Paul is presented as someone who is a faithful Israelite, obedient to the Torah (Romans 3:31; 9-11; Acts 21:23-24; 23:3).  To say anything otherwise is false.

Actually, before we get to ch 8 lets take a quick look at ch. 5:9-11 –  I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 10 I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. 11 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one.

Clearly Paul tells everyone to stay away from idolaters and not to even eat with one, but you (VIC) think it is ok.  Maybe Paul is growing as a Christian between ch 5 and ch8 as Andre’ points out?  I hope you everyone else is starting to see that their must be a misunderstanding of 1 Corinthians 8.  

Before we go to ch 8. let’s look at ch 9 & 10 briefly.  Ch 9 is dealing with the believer’s freedoms and rights and that we can choose to relinquish those for the sake of others.  Ch 10 starts to show where we are limited by G-d’s word.  v14 –  Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry. v19-22 – What do I mean then? That a thing sacrificed to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20 No, but I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God; and I do not want you to become sharers in demons. 21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons. 22 Or do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? We are not stronger than He, are we?   

In chapter 10:14-22, Paul’s focus is not on the weaker brother, but rather on idolatry and obeying God’s commandment that we worship him alone (Exodus 20:3-4). If we participate in idol feasts and sacrifices, we are then participants with demons.  Yes, idols are really just stone and wood and are nothing, and yes, there is only one God. However, lurking behind idolatry is the strong influence of demons. This teaching is not original to Paul. We find the same teaching in Moses’ song:

They stirred him to jealousy with strange gods; with abominations they provoked him to anger. They sacrificed to demons that were no gods, to gods they had never known, to new gods that had come recently, whom your fathers had never dreaded (Deuteronomy 32:16-17).  Paul understands, just as Moses, that idolatry is the worship of and submission to demons, and we must have nothing to do with it.

This part is getting kind of long, so I will stop there.  I really do not think I even need to explain ch 8 now.  Clearly, Paul was not stating that you can eat food sacrificed to idols.  If you still believe so, may HaShem help you.


Do you think based on what I have provided this far, that I might know what I am talking about?  I do not say this arrogantly, but with the power of the Word spoken truthfully.  Peter had this to say about Paul’s letters in 2 Peter 3:15-16 – just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, *******which the untaught and unstable distort******, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. (I wish I knew how to bold)

Galatians 5.  Unfortunately more of the same.  Verses taken out of context.  Verse one which you bolded for emphasis – It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.

Christ set us free.  Free from what?  Colossians 2:14 – having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us.  What were we in debt for?  Sin.  We sinned and therefore deserved punishment perhaps death.  So Christ set us free from the penalty we had.  Basically we went before the judge and was found guilty of speeding, and our fine was $100.  Christ came along and paid that fine for us.  Does this mean we can continue speeding?  No.  Stop sinning!!!!  Should you sin more for grace to abound?  G-d Forbid!!!

Paul goes on in v1 and says therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.  We were set free from our debt which is a yoke of slavery.  There is no way Paul could be calling Torah a yoke of slavery in Galatians when approx. 10 years later in Romans 7 he says So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.  John says this in 1 John 5:3 – For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are NOT burdensome.  David has a lot to say about the Torah.  Here is just a bit from Psalm 119.  v21 – You rebuke the arrogant, the cursed, Who wander from Your commandments.   v45 – And I will walk at liberty,
For I seek Your precepts.   Why does David walk in liberty (freedom) b/c he seeks the commandments!!!!!!     v47-48 – I shall delight in Your commandments, Which I love.
48 And I shall lift up my hands to Your commandments, Which I love; And I will meditate on Your statutes. v103 – How sweet are Your words to my taste! Yes, sweeter than honey to my mouth! v113 – I hate those who are double-minded, But I love Your law. v151 – You are near, O Lord, And all Your commandments are truth.    Psalm 119 is beautiful and is all about Torah, the entire chapter.  The longest chapter in all of Scripture at that…..hmmm I wonder why?

Wow, that was just v1, which is clearly taken out of context.  v2.  about circumcision.  The whole book of Galatians is about salvation.  Salvation only comes from Yeshua.  One cannot earn their way into being saved.  Paul stresses this concept in Galatians.  So everything he is saying look at it from this perspective.  He is not saying circumcision is wrong.  He is saying getting circumcision to be saved is wrong.  v4.  which you again bolded and said you will not take a chance and say no to Torah.  

V4 – You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

Again, Paul is saying to be justified.  You obey b/c you love G-d.  You obey, b/c He said to.  You obey after you have been circumcised in the heart.  A phrase used several times in the Tanakh.  Avraham was told his descendants would be multiplied b/c why?  Ch 26:5 – because Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.  You must be thinking wait, the Torah was not given yet.  Oh but it was.  Yeshua is Torah.  Yeshua is the word made flesh, that was from the beginning.  The word was G-d. You see, the new testament was not even close to be written, much less put together.   Yeshua said in John 14:6 – I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.  I hope this gives you a new understanding of what He means when you have to go through Him.  You must go through the Torah. b/c if you love Him, you will obey the commandments.  John 14:15.   

Running out of time, so I start cutting to verses you seem to have an issue with.  

Quote – You were running a good race. Who cut in on you and kept you from obeying the truth? (Agie95 maybe trying to put us under the Torah/law burden again)

Okay – How does the Bible define truth?  Psalm 119:142, 151, 160 say – And Your law is truth, And all Your commandments are truth, The sum of Your word is truth,
And every one of Your righteous ordinances is everlasting.    Man I should have used 160 above.  It says EVERY ONE OF YOUR RIGHTEOUS ORDINANCES IS EVERLASTING.  Is there anywhere is truth is defined?  Yes.  John 17:17 Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.  Basically John is saying..set them apart in the Torah…your Torah is truth.  Remember there is no new testament written when this is said.  

Quote – v10 I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view. The one who is throwing you into confusion will pay the penalty, whoever he may be. (That is a warning Agie95)  Are you still sure about this warning to me?  

v14 – 14 The entire law is summed up in a single command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” (Mmmm Agie95, the Torah is sumed up in one command? Why try to burden us then with more?)   As I mentioned several posts ago.  The commandments have always been summed up into love in Judaism.  Nothing new.  If everything can be summed up into one commanded and mean there is only 1 commandment, then why does Yeshua speak to the rich man about other commandments?  Why does the assemblies of Pergamum and Thyatira have charges other than love against them.  I might add other assemblies have other issues as well.  

Quote – 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law. (Again Agie95, we are NOT under the Torah. )

Hopefully, by now you see you have totally taken these verses out of context.  In an earlier post I showed what the spirit was to lead to.  So you Ezekiel said when we get the Spirit it will lead us to the commandments, but you say Paul says no.  Under the law is a phrase used to say you are guilty of the law.  You are condemned by the law… you are under it.  Paul is stating if you have died to your flesh and led by the spirit (accepted Christ) you are no longer under penalty of the law.    Context, context, context.  

Quote – This is the truth Agie95. This truth will let no babe in Christ stumble. This is the teachings of Paul and this is the stand of Unsealed Prophecy.

Do you really consider what you posted the truth?  Scripture defines truth as I showed above and it looks a whole lot different than the truth you painted.  The context of teachings you provided is from man (church) and as Yeshua said in Matthew 5 –  Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven.  

I hope you reconsider your thoughts on these strange teachings.  I hope the frustration I sensed in your post is subsiding as the truth sets in.  If I have taken anything out of context, I do hope you show me.  Iron sharpens iron.  

Sense Vic has stated case closed and I have now violated the case closed I do not wish to further violate this order.  I made the exception, b/c I felt truth needed to be told and to expose the false teachings of others.


Shalom Aleichem!

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